Confirming Christianity (Comment on “How To Evangelize Adventists To the Truth”)
My bride and I love you both and your addressing all things Adventist [on Former Adventist Podcast]. You not only answer the problems of Adventism but also confirm the basics of Christianity. Thank you.
—VIA YOUTUBE
Get Out of This Cult (Comment on “Adventist Unity—Impossible?”)
I’ve read over 1,500 pages of Former Adventist scholarly writings and consumed countless instructional videos decoding the Ellen G. White science fiction, wordy, deceptive gospel. It takes guts to expose this masterful deception. It took me years to finally accept that I was trapped in a cult and a hopeless “works-based” salvation system run by the Seventh-day Adventist Business Corporation. Today, I believe the only reason Adventist members stay in this organization is due to ignorance, to being deceived, or because they depend on the Adventist corporation for a job, pension, or other direct or indirect personal business benefit. Get out of this cult and get back to the Jesus Christ Gospel of the Bible.
—VIA YOUTUBE
Comment on “Is There A New Adventism?”
Can you elaborate more on the SDA belief that Jesus is fallible or do you have a video on the topic?
—VIA YOUTUBE
Response from online moderator Jim Liley:
In the great controversy paradigm, Jesus was not the eternal, almighty God. Instead, God exalted him to be His equal at some time in the distant past. When Jesus came to the earth, He “volunteered to take humanity” so that “in His power, humanity can obey God”. (EGW, Signs of the Times, May 10, 1899.) Thus, He came in the fallen condition of sinful man. Ellen G. White says,
By taking upon Himself man’s nature in its fallen condition, Christ did not in the least participate in its sin. (EGW, Manuscript Releases, vol. 16, pp. 116, 117.)
Christ took upon Him the infirmities of degenerate humanity. Only thus could He rescue man from the lowest depths of his degradation. (EGW, Manuscript Releases, vol. 16, pp. 117.)
Christ bore the sins and infirmities of the race as they existed when He came to the earth to help man. In behalf of the race, with the weaknesses of fallen man upon Him, He was to stand the temptations of Satan upon all points wherewith man would be assailed. (EGW, Selected Messages, bk. 1, pp. 267, 268.)
In the great controversy worldview, Jesus’ primary purpose was not to be our Substitute but to be our Example and to vindicate God’s character. Importantly, the great controversy worldview assumes that Jesus kept the law as a man with a “fallen” human nature. His example, therefore, is to demonstrate that all people can achieve freedom from sin if they pray and self-sacrifice as He did.
The normal Christian understanding of Jesus as an example is that He shows those who are born again how they may depend upon God after being born of the Spirit. Adventism, however, sees Jesus as the example for all sinful mankind to follow in order to become right with God. Here are some of EGW’s statements:
He came to this world to live the law in humanity, that Satan’s charge that man cannot keep the law might be demonstrated as false. (EGW, Signs of the Times, April 7, 1898.)
The Majesty of heaven undertook the cause of man, and with the same facilities that man may obtain, withstood the temptations of Satan as man must withstand them. This was the only way in which fallen man could become a partaker of the divine nature. (EGW, Selected Messages, Bk. 1, p. 252.
We could quote many more EGW statements demonstrating that the great controversy model sees Jesus as the example for sinful people. This unbiblical description of Jesus, however, is only part of Adventism’s belief about Him. EGW also states that Jesus was on probation while He was on the earth and that He could have sinned. For example:
The temptations to which Christ was subjected were a terrible reality. As a free agent He was placed on probation, with liberty to yield to Satan’s temptations and work at cross-purposes with God. (EGW, Selected Messages, Bk. 3, p. 131.)
Yet into the world where Satan claimed dominion God permitted His Son to come, a helpless babe, subject to the weakness of humanity. He permitted Him to meet life’s peril in common with every human soul, to fight the battle as every child of humanity must fight it, at the risk of failure and eternal loss. (EGW, The Desire of Ages, p. 49.)
For a period of time Christ was on probation. He took humanity on Himself, to stand the test and trial which the first Adam failed to endure. Had He failed in His test and trial, He would have been disobedient to the voice of God, and the world would have been lost. (EGW, Signs of the Times, May 10, 1899.)
—This is an excerpt from an article titled “What is Seventh-Day Adventism?” by Colleen Tinker.
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